Anadolu Üniversitesi İletişim Bilimleri Fakultesi'nin Genç Anadolu Gazetesinden Hüseyin Karaca bize bir takım sorular sordu. Bizim de elimiz armut toplamıyor, cevap verdik, çaya bekliyoruz.
1. Sizce insanlar neden yüz yüze ilişkiler yerine sanal cemaatleri tercih ediyor?
Yerlerinden kalkmak zorunda olmadıkları için. Bu bir etkendir en azından. bunun ötesinde insanlar sanal ortamlarda kendilerine, kendilerinden çıkmış ama çoğu kez pek de kendilerine benzemeyen kimlikler oluşturabiliyorlar. Bence zaten sanal ortamın sanallığı da buradan ileri geliyor. İlişkinin biçiminden önce, ilişkiyi kuran tarafların kimliği sanallaşıyor. Bu tercih edilebilecek bir şey olduğu gibi, olmayabilir de.
Bence yüz yüze ilişki ile, sanal yoldan kurulan bir ilişkiyi kıyaslamak pek mümkün değil. Sanal ortamdaki iletişim prensip olarak mektuplaşmaktan çok da farklı değil. Mektuplaştığınız kişinin de yazdıkları dışındaki varlığını oluşturan her zerresi sizin hayal gücünüzdür; üstelik yazılanların da ne kadarı hayal ürünüdür bilinmez. tabi burada cemaat olabilmeyi sağlayan şey mektuplaşmaktan farklı olarak çok hızlı olması ve birden çok kişiye yönelik olabilmesidir sanırım. sanal cemaat aslında alıcısı anonim koca bir mektuptur. Cevapladığınız anda alıcısınızdır, izlediğiniz sürece seyirci. Yüz yüze iletişimde canlı yayındasınızdır, sanal ortamda banttan okursunuz.
Tüm bunlar belirli bir yapaylığı getirmekle birlikte hem kolaydır, hem de sizden çok şey istemeyen bir ilişki türüdür. Konuşurken kimsenin gözlerine bakmanız gerekmez, söylemek istemediğinizi söylemezsiniz kolaylıkla, karşınızda sizi izleyen kimse yoktur. Yansıtabileceğiniz tek kimlik, 29 harfin kombinasyonlarından ibarettir. Tabi seçenek olarak boy boy fotoğraflarınızı da yayınlayabilirsiniz çoğu kez. Elbette gözükmesini istediklerinizi. bu anlamda, sanal ilişki çok daha rahat bir şekilde kontrol altındadır.
2. Sanal cemaatler alternatif bir toplum düşü ya da bir ütopya yaratma şansı var mı? Neden?
Sanmıyorum. böyle bir düşe sahip bireylerin bile bunu sanal cemaatlerde yakalayacaklarına inandığını zannetmiyorum. Kimi zaman bulundukları yerin alternatif bir toplum olduğunu düşünebilirler ama sanal cemaatleri toplum olarak adlandırmak bile yanlış olacaktır bence. daha ziyade organik ilişki ihtiyacının mekanik yöntemlerle doyurulmaya çalıştığı topluluklardır bence ama sanal cemaatler vasıtasıyla “kendiniz gibi”leri bulmanız olasıdır, bu da işin daha “reel” olan kısmı bence.
Sanal cemaatlerdeki insanlar birbirlerini tanıdıklarını zannederler ama bu zanneden açısından “tanıdığını bilmek”ten pek de farklı bir şey değil bence. Tanıdıkları kısım, tanımalarına izin verilen kadardır. Bu nedenle herhangi bir ütopyayı veya düşü bırakın gerçekleştirebilecek bir toplumu, bunu hayal edebilecek bir topluluğu bile yaratmak, herhangi bir sanal cemaatte oldukça zordur.
3. Urban5 sadece seks isteyen şehirlilerin buluşma noktası mıdır? Yoksa urban5 alternatif bir kültür oluşturmak isteyenler için midir? Neden?
Sadece seks isteyen şehirlilerin buluşma noktası olsaydı açıkçası bu soruları yanıtlıyor değil sevişiyor olurdum şuanda. urban5’ı tanımlamak bu noktada aslında bir sorun oluyor, biz seksten bahsediyoruz, gerekirse 24 saat de bahsedebiliriz ama bu düşkünlüğümüz nedeniyle değil, seksin tabulaşmasını reddettiğimiz için yapıyoruz. Ben burada bir kızın memelerinden bahsedebilirim. Onun kişilik haklarına sataşmadan elbette ve bundan bahsederken sanki ellerinden bahsediyor kadar rahat olabilirim. Bu rahatlık ve iyi niyet ile alakalı bir durum. Sanal cemaatin vasıfları burada da devriye giriyor elbette, samimi olmaktan kasıt içli dışlı olmaktan ziyade içten olmayı anlatıyor.
İstesek de istemesek de urban5’daki bu samimi ortamı korumak adına mecburi bir cemaatleşmeye gidiyoruz; üye sayımızın neredeyse üç katı kadar üye başvurumuz var ama onları onaylamamız demek, yaptığımız her şeyi çöpe atmak demek bizim için. komünitemiz üye olmayanlar tarafından da okunuyor çünkü bilgi vermeyi amaçlıyoruz. Türkiye için tehlikeli bir konu seks. Hem sekse oldukça açız hem de bu konuda oldukça bilgisiz. Bu iki sonucunda kanımca tek bir nedeni var, seksin tabu olarak görülmesi.
Elitist bir davranış olarak algılanabilecek olsa da üye seçimindeki titizliğimiz urban5’ı bir arada tutabilmemizi sağlıyor. Kendi jargonumuz var, üyeler (urb’ler) çoğu kez ufak bir alışma sürecinden sonra otokontrol sahibi oluyorlar. Bir cemaat olmanın da yegane temeli kanımca budur. Cemaatin kurallarını içselleştirmek. Cemaatlerin dayandıkları organik bağlar bir şekilde sanal ortamda da sağlanmış oluyor. Elbette cemaat olma konusunda dışa kapalılık da önemli bir rol oynuyor. “biz” diyebileceğiniz bir topluluk içinde buluyorsanız kendinizi, alışmaya başlıyorsunuz.
4. Urban5 kendini Türkiye’nin en seksi sanal cemaati olarak tanımlıyor. Neden insanlar urban5 kullanma ihtiyacı hissediyor?
Burada herkesin takip etmekten hoşlandığı yazarlar var, ne yaşadığını merak ettiği insanlar, iletişim kurmak istediği düşünen hayvanlar var. Bu düşünen hayvanlar, sadece sanal ortamdayken değil, gün içinde de birbirlerini düşünüyorlar kimi zaman. Bu özlemek gibi bir şey aslında, birisini özlemekten çok birisi ile iletişimde olmayı özlemek. urban5’tan çok kişi şenliklerle, cümbüşlerle ayrıldı. “ben gidiyorum” dedi. biz “hoşça kal” demedik, biraz daha bekledik, “tekrar hoş geldin”e enerjimiz kaldı.
Cemaatler hakkında j. j. Rousseau şöyle diyor; “öyle bir cemaat şekli bulmak lazımdır ki, müşterek olan bütün kuvvetlerle cemiyete girenlerden her birinin şahsını ve malını müdafaa etsin ve her fert cemiyetin bütün ile birleşirken ancak kendisine itaat etmiş olsun ve eskiden ne kadar hür idiyse o kadar hür olsun. Bunun için insanın yerine kanunu ikame etmek, umumi iradeyi ferdi iradelere üstün, hakiki bir kuvvetle teçhiz etmek lazımdır. Eğer toplumların kanunları, tabiatın kanunları gibi, yenilmez bir sertlik kazanırsa, insanlar arasıdaki bağlılık, eşya arasındaki bağlılık mahiyetini yeniden kazanacak ve bu sayede siyasi toplum içinde tabii yaşama halinin faydalarıyla cemaat hayatının faydaları birleştirilmiş ve buna ahlakilik eklenmiş olacaktır.”
Bütün ile birleşirken yalnızca kendine itaat etmiş olmak çok önemli kanımca. bunu yalnızca topluluğu oluşturan kurallarınızı insanlara benimseterek başarabilirsiniz. İnsanlar urban5 kullanmıyorlar yalnızca, onu yaratıyorlar da. Burası kişiliğinize göre kalıp alan bir site. Köşesine bucağına kadar kendinizi koyabileceğiniz bir yer. Günlüğünüz var, forumlarınız var, makaleniz var, anketiniz, eski sevgilinize karşı kurduğunuz ittifakınız, aktiviteleriniz, fotoğraflarınız var. urban5 hem bir cemaat olma hissi hem de sanal da olsa bir kimlik vaat ediyor kullanıcılara, eskiden ne kadar hür idiyse o kadar hür olabilecekleri ama yine de yalnız kalmayacakları bir topluluk vaat ediyor.
5. Urban5’in 3 bin kullanıcısı ve 7 bin kullanıcı adayı bulunuyor. Bunun dışında günlük kaç kişi sitenizi ziyaret ediyor?
Aslında her geçen gün artan bir üye dalgasını devam ettiriyoruz. Her yeni gelen üyenin kısa bir süre içerisinde arkadaşlarını davet etmesi onların da arkadaşlarını davet etmesi gibi sürekli artan bir dalga bu… Şu an kullanıcı sayımız çoktan 3 bin’i geçmiş durumda her gün en 50 adet başvuru geliyor ve onayda bekleyen 7000’den fazla başvuru var.
Bugünlerde urban5 üzerinde herhangi bir günde ortalama 4000 tekil ziyaretçi dolaşıyor ve toplamda 70.000 sayfa okuyorlar…
6. Sanal cemaat sizce nedir? Türkiye’deki diğer sanal cemaatler hakkında ne düşünüyorsunuz?
Sanal cemaat denince akla ilk olarak yonja, 80630 gibi arkadaşlık siteleri geliyor. Bu platformlar benim gözümde resimli katalog kıvamında internet siteleri. İletişimi insanlar için olabileceği kadar yapay sunuyor ve aitlik olma isteğinden çok listelenme isteği yaratıyor. Bir cemaat oluşturmak istiyorsanız her şeyden önce bir fikriniz, bir amacınız ve duruşunuz olmalı. Cemaatinizin üyelerinin bir adı olmalı ve daha önce dediğimiz gibi aitlik hissi yaratmalı. Sonuçta sanallığı sadece iletişime araç olan internet olduğundan gelmeli.
7. Urban5’i kurma amacınız nedir? Sizin takip ettiğiniz siteler nelerdir? Eksi sozluk’un ilk kullanıcılarından birisisiniz, eksi sozluk hakkındaki görüşleriniz nelerdir? Onlar alternatif bir kültür yaratmak için çalışan sanal cemaatlere örnek olabilir mi?
Urban5 fikrinin doğuşu, temelinde bugüne kadar içinde bulunduğum sanal cemaatlere karşı bir duruş olarak çıktı diyebilirim. Bu sıralar internet üzerinde popülerleşen arkadaşlık sitelerinde eksik iletişim ve fazlasıyla baskın olan bilinçsiz popüler kültür tüketimi, bizi tamamen bu bilinçsiz zaman kaybına karşın temellere dayalı, iletişimin ön planda olduğu bir platform oluşturma fikrine itti.
Yaratmak istediğimiz, insanların temel içgüdülerine hitap eden olabildiğine cesur, olabildiğine derin ve tamamen kendine özgün bir platformdu. Öyle bir platform olacaktı ki burası; başta seks ve ilişkiler hakkında insana dair tüm konuları konuşacak, paylaşacak ve bunlarla beraber kurulan cesur iletişim ile olabildiğine açık ilişkilere ortam hazırlayacaktık. Bunun içine biraz mizah, biraz da yaratıcılık katarak ben ve yakın dost çevremde yaşadığımız kendi hayat duruşumuzu daha büyük bir kitle ile paylaşmak istedik. Böylece inandığımız bilinçli, sosyal ve modern yaşam biçimini büyük bir kitle ile paylaşabilecek ve ülkemizde tabu olarak adlandırılan konular üzerinde bir bilinç yaratabilecektik.
Ekşi sözlük’ün eski üyelerinden biriyim evet. Sözlük Türk internet tarihinde yeni bir konsepti ortaya koymuş yaratıcı bir fikirdi. Kullanıcılarına “suser” deniyor, aktiviteler, yardım kampanyaları ve site üzerinden “suser”’ların kurduğu iletişim ile bence örnek bir sanal cemaati temsil ediyor. Sözlük kendine ait bir alt kültür yarattığı gibi, ulaştığı geniş kitlelere de bu alt kültürü yayma başarısını göstermiş durumda.
8. Sanal cemaatler post-modern çağın (yeni cemaatçi) toplumsal ilişkilerini mi gerçekleştirir?
Öncelikle kanımca çağımızı post-modern olarak nitelemek benim bakış açıma pek uymayacaktır. post modern kısmen başlamadan bitmiş bir projedir gözümde, modernizm gibi değildir. Modernizm çok daha köklü bir değişim, aydınlanmadan destek alan bir töz değişimidir. oysa post-modernizm bunun yanında bir kenar süsü, yanlış taraftan kalkma hali gibidir. Modernizm, post-modernizmi de yutup ne kadar kavram kirliliği gibi dursa da post- post modernizm diyeceğim bir zamana açmıştır kucağını, hepimiz orada otururuz. Post Modernizm bir modadır, ayakkabı ile çanta arasındaki renk uyumudur ama istenirse ikisi arasındaki renk uyumsuzluğunu da anlatabilir. İçi ölesiye boşalmıştır.
Bunlar kişisel düşüncelerim olmakla birlikte hala yamulmuş bir modernizmin içinde yaşadığımız düşüncesinden yola çıkarak cevaplayacağım bu soruyu. sanal cemaatin doyurmaya çalıştığı bir ilişki türü varsa bence bu çoktan beri doyurmaya uğraştığımız bir açlığın sonucudur. Sosyal olmak. kimileri sanal ilişkinin asosyalleştirdiğine inanır ama ben tamamen zıddını düşünüyorum. sosyalleşmek birisiyle yüzyüze gelmek gidip bir şeyler içmek değildir, kendinden başkasıyla iletişime geçmektir ki sanal cemaatler de bunu sağlayabilir. elbette işin kurgusal ve hayal gücüne dayanan büyük boyutu ve ilişkilerin sığlığı olaya patolojik bir hava da katabilir ama bu sonucu değiştirmez. Sanal cemaat, sanal kimliklerin sosyalleştikleri yerdir. sanal kimliğiniz siz olmasınız da, hissedecekleri sizindir. Hissin sanalı olmaz, hissettiğiniz, duyumsadığınız şey gerçektir. Hakikat olmasa bile.
9. Sanal cemaatler, Urban5 ve bir sanal cemaat kurucusu olarak eklemek istediğiniz başka görüşleriniz varsa lütfen yazınız.
Güzel iş çıkardığımıza ve doğru yol aldığımıza inanıyoruz. Ticari bir kaygımız yok. İsim yapıp prim yapma çabamız da. Harcadığımız emek karşılığında arada bir arkamıza bakıp gururlanabildiğimiz sürece fikirlerimizi uygulamaya, monitörler karşısında sabahlamaya devam edeceğiz…
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